The following are notes taken by an alleged 'CAIR SPY' who attended the meeting below. A former CAIR Associate provided the documents because they do not want 'secret operations' being conducted against the U.S. Government in order to influence future laws. The following are their (CAIR) notes of the meeting. Do they respect Lieberman? You need to determine from their notes if CAIR intends to "recruit" Senator Collins and Senator Voinovich (Refer to CAIR's remarks at the end of the notes). This report is similar to ones we would conduct (while I was a Federal Agent) on our enemies and people who supported them. We would have people infiltrate the particular group, and then write a report. Subsequently the report was sent to our analysts, then operations began from these. What type operation does CAIR have in the works??? Respectfully, Dave Gaubatz
"Senate Committee Hearing
Department of Homeland Security
Dirksen, SD-342, 9:30 a.m
"The Roots of Violent Islamist Extremism and Effort to Counter It"
Senate Chair, Senator Joseph Lieberman
Ranking Member, Senator Susan Collins
Senator George Voinovich
Maajid Nanaz is the Director of the Quillam Foundation.
His testimony focused on defining Islamists and Islamic political ideology. He stated that the
individuals who become Islamists a share common goal of establishing Sh'ariah Law globally.
Individuals who do not share this belief are seen by Islamists as un-Islamic. Individuals who do
choose the radical path all share this ideology but have also experienced personal grievances.
He referenced several personal grievances he experienced during his youth in England and how
he was able to avoid the extremist path. He stated that individuals who did experience
grievances, such as discrimination, violent acts, and racism, are more susceptible to being
recruited into the extremist path. He argued that Islamists are able to reframe the personal
grievances experienced by recruits to gain support for the Islamists political ideology. In the case of England, he also found that much of the youth that turned toward the extremist path were confused as to how they fit into the western culture. Many of them are confused on how to define themselves, "Muslim" or "English," and how they can continue to remain modern without giving up their Muslim religion or identity. Therefore individuals who do experience an identity crisis look towards individuals who can provide them with guidance and advice during their time of confusion. Many may look towards religious leaders, but many of those leaders, at least for the case of England, tend to share the Islamists ideology. This is because these individuals are often
trained in areas such as Pakistan where this ideology is prevalent and preached in "Islamic"
schools. Also he notes that many of the Imans in England are not able to clearly communicate or
relate to the younger generation. Therefore individuals who are experiencing an identity crisis do not have proper guidance or mentors who can assist them. When asked how he was able to
avoid taking the extremist path, he stated that it was because he how good mentors. He also
agreed with Baran's statement that non-violent Islamists organizations can become radical
Dr. Peter Mandaville is an Associate Professor of Government and Politics at George
He agreed with Mr. Nanaz's testimony. Dr. Mandaville used the situation of the Muslim
population in England to explain the path the individuals take to embrace radical views and join
radical organizations. He went on to point out the younger generation of Muslims in England view their parent's practices of Islam as un-modern and therefore try to adopt a view of Islam for the modern world. He also stated that Muslims in America are less likely to adopt or pursue radical ideals because there is less fractionalization as compared to European Muslims. This is because the U.S. does a better job of helping immigrants integrate into society because Americans are more welcoming and open to different cultures and backgrounds. He does warn that if we can not give Muslims the perception that they are being singled out, but instead that they have an active voice in the role their government and country plays in the world. If we fail to do this, then we are in danger of replicating the situation in England. He went on to include key factors that contribute to the radicalization of an individuals views. He did not agree with Baran's statement that organizations, such as CAIR, should not be engaged in the political process and had ties to Islamist organizations and other radicals.
Zeyno Baran is a Senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.
Baran's testimony opened with discussing the religion of Islam does not cause individuals to
adopt radical views. She went on to state that Islam is compatible with the west. She agreed
with Mr. Nanaz that it is the political ideology and the belief that one must adopt Sh'ariah law.
Her testimony mostly consisted of expressing concern over how many of the organizations, such
as ISNA and CAIR, which exist in America, share the Islamists' ideology. She claimed and
warned that CAIR in particular had ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hizb ut-Tahri (HT). She argued that CAIR masks itself as a Civil Rights Advocacy group but actually has its own political
agenda to establish the ideology that the above radical groups share. She stated that non-violent
Islamist organizations like CAIR are likely to become radicallslamist organizations. Mr. Nanaz
agreed with this statement, but did not mention CAIR in particular. When asked which
organizations she suggests the government should work with, she was unable to name specific
organizations. She even stated that the Civil Rights cases that CAIR does take on involve
individuals who share the Islamist ideology. She warned against CAIR's recent involvement with the FBI in providing an educational workshop for its agents. She mentioned that many
government officials, including past presidents, have worked with organizations such as CAIR.
She stated that the government should not align itself with CAIR but should seek alternative
organizations that do not have a political agenda and are not tied to Islamist radicals. She did
mention vaguely about women's organizations but again did not give specific names of any
organization. She later retracted some of her statements about CAIR by stating that it was not
the individuals that work at CAIR who share the Islamist ideology but the leadership that started the organization and continues to oversee it. Other panel members were skeptical about her claims against CAIR. Senator Voinovich made a point to tell Ms. Baran that he does not share her views concerning CAIR. He stated that he has worked closely with CAIR's Ohio chapter and had a very positive experience with the organization. Senator Lieberman seemed very interested in Ms. Baran's statements about CAIR and seemed to put more weight on her statements against the group compared to the rest of the panel. Senator Collins did ask questions about continuing relations with organizations, such as CAIR. She seemed somewhat concerned about Ms. Baran's statements, but more open and cautious then Senator Lieberman.
Dr. Fathali Moghaddan is a Professor of Psychology at Georgetown University.
His testimony emphasized that although ideology is a necessary condition for radical behavior, it
is not a sufficient condition. He stated that it is necessary to realize and take into account
different experiences that can lead one to choose a radical path. He noted such experiences
such as economic deprivation and political instability can have an effect on an individual's
decision making process. He stated that at present American Muslims are not as susceptible to
adopting radical behavior given that their situation differs from their European counterparts.
American Muslims are generally more educated, financially better off, and more integrated in
society than European Muslims. He also noted that the distance between America and radical
hotspots, such as in Pakistan also plays an important role in lessening the likelihood of an
American Muslims to embrace radical ideology. He did state that although this does paint a
positive picture concerning American Muslims and their probability of adopting radical ideology,
we still need to continue efforts in maintaining and preventing adopting of these ideals in the
future. He noted that it is important to include women in the process of countering terrorism. He believes women playa central role in countering terrorism and therefore we should help in
improving their rights.
Michael Leiter is the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)
He went of the basic structure of his organization. He was asked several questions concerning
the points brought up in the previous panel. He stressed the importance of including all
organizations in the process of countering terrorism, regardless of their beliefs or goals. He
stated that it is unrealistic to think that you can only work with organizations that share the same beliefs of the U.S. government. He also stated that NCTC is in the process of establishing new partners with non-government offices and Muslims in the U.S. He also made a point to state that it is unfair to target Islam as the enemy. Terrorism is committed by individuals who are of
different religious backgrounds and therefore the counterterrorism tactics need to be applicable to all types of terror.
Notes by CAIR:
Senator Joseph Lieberman
I believe that he made up his mind before he came to the hearing and was happy to hear criticism on Muslim organizations from Ms. Basam.
Senator Sue Collins
Struck by comments from Ms. Basam but is definitely more open than Senator Lieberman. I think it would be good to try to establish some type of relationship with her.
Senator George Vinovich
He was very surprised by Ms. Basam's comments and was ready to defend CAIR. I think we
should definitely work with him in the future. He seems very interested in educating himself more about the issue at hand and would be a great ally to have, especially on the Republican side".